SA63 Engine Change?

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SA63 Engine Change?

Postby epiksa » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:32 pm

I have a 84 sa63 celica with a 2s-c engine now I have a couple of questions to ask you
1. Is it legal to put a 1jz into it?
2. What is the best and easiest legal motor swap?
3. Would any of the 3s motor parts fit on the 2s motor?
Any help would be appreciated

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby MWP » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:01 pm

Welcome :)

Hmm, this is a bit of a tough one.

#1 - Yes, but only if its approved by DTEI (aka regency pits) and signed off by a registered engineer. Getting it approved will likely cost $5k+, and they will probably require brake upgrades too. The up side is it'll be fully legal, so the cops cant defect you for it.
#2 - Best and easiest are not the same thing. What is best depends on your target use for the car, and budget. Any idea?
#3 - Not sure, but i very much doubt its worth the effort to find out/try.

Because the SA63 was pretty much the last of the carb'ed cars, and you cant ran an engine older than the age of the car, all options mean moving to an EFI fuel system (lift pump, swirl pot and high-pressure pump).
They also require more wiring work.

The easiest option would be installing an engine xmember and 22R-E from a RA65.
It'll be a decent amount quicker than the 2SC, but it still wont be 'quick'.
You should be able to do this upgrade legally, without any engineering required.

Next best would probably be a Blacktop BEAMS 3SGE import engine from a Lexus RS200 Altezza.
Im not 100% sure if this will work with the SA63 engine xmember or not (may need some mods). Some research is needed.
Get the engine with the 6 speed gearbox.
This engine & gearbox would make the car a lot of fun.
You might just be able to do this legally without any engineering. Submit a request to modify form to the DTEI to find out.
Expect this conversion to cost you $5k+ in parts incl the engine.

After those two, it all depends on your budget.
Pretty much anything quicker than the BEAMS 3S engine (ie turbo anything) will require engineering to be legal.
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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby epiksa » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:13 pm

Thanks for the welcome :D
5k is a bit much i can get cheap 3s injected and a cheap 3y injected I am going to go efi cose I got a full turbo set up waiting for what ever I get would either of these be better

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby MWP » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:18 pm

So it not being legal is not a problem then?
You can't add a turbo to anything without engineering to make it legal.

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby epiksa » Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:28 pm

One of my mates dad is an engineer but dont wanna do regancy cose of cost and time as i am in the contry and trying to keep it street leagal on a cheap as budget but trying to get a motor to pretty much bolt in (less moding car as possible) and is efi and the turbo will be done at a much later stage

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby swan86 » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:12 pm

Fitting the 1jz is not a cheep or easy conversion and to make it legal will be a pain. I had to do a lot of massaging to fit mine.
The 3s will be the best option but the manifolds will need to be modified and the flywheel changed or buy a beams motor and gearbox and use the mounts off the 2s.
The cheapest way put a 22r skim the head, fit a cam, do rings and bearings and fit a oil cooler as they get hot
Any option will make it a fun car to drive, just some are more scary than others

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby HKS7MGT » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:51 am

Cheapest mod is fit the beams engine to your factory gearbox. Absolutely a brilliant engine. Don't worry about the six speed as it's a nice to have.

If you don care for engineering, turbo that or try fitting a GT4 3SGTE but the manifolds and plumbing are all suited to East West configuration so that would be harder.

These cars also came out with 4AGE from factory so a super charged MR2 could be an option but same challenges as the 3SGTE.

If you can find a 3/4TGTE as they also came out in these models too. Very rare and you'll need xmember (same for the 4A) to fit.

The 22RE is a much underestimated engine. Do some research in America and you'll find cheap upgrades like complete racing heads, etc. very good cheap option but you'll need to rebuild an engine before grinning.

For me it'll be a Beams all the way! It's a instant bolt in smile!

Good luck and keep us posted.

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby epiksa » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:48 pm

Cheers looking into a beams engine cheers and also looking at picking up what looks to be a ra60 for parts is the motor from the ra60 any good? I will find out what the new one is and get back to you looks like the sa63 but no pop up lights if that helps

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby MWP » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:53 pm

RA60 has the 21R engine which isnt much better than the 2S.
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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby epiksa » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:10 am

Found a beams black top with an auto on it in my price range so now what other parts do I need to sawp it in and do I still need an engineer to sighn it off

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Re: SA63 Engine Change?

Postby MWP » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:28 am

Fill it out, mail it in: https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... e-2013.pdf

Be aware that having the auto ECU, and not using an auto trans can cause complications.
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